Just out of curiosity, so the order in the bible is this: woman submit to husband and husband submit to God but woman does not need to submit to the husband if he does not submit to God, instead she submits to God. Then what is the point of the wife submitting to the husband? Why not just submit to God directly? Why the middleman?

Seondly you mentioned about compromising in marriage?
My question is if you are the main decider and if there is a disagreement between you and your wife’s decision then whatever you say goes. So the only time your wife gets what she wants is when you agree with what she wants otherwise she does not get it. My question is, where is the compromise on the husband’s part? If this is the order then there is no compromise coming from the husband at all. He gets what he wants either way?

Thirdly you mention:the Bible seems to hold Adam more to account for his poor decisions, than Eve.

I think that you are suggesting the fall when Adam ate the apple. The reason behind this is because he was the last person to sin. Eve already disobeyed God therefore he was the final decider whether or not mankind will fall. He cannot procreate by himself.

I guess it depends on what equal power means. Roles might not be identical. Does that mean power isn’t?

One of the also reinforces the idea that women were created for man and not for their inherent value.

I Corinthians 11:3, 7-9

But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God… For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man. For the man is not of the woman: but the woman of the man. Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

Then there is I Timothy 2:11-14

Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

The pecking order is pretty clear outside the context of marriage.

You may say that these roles only apply to the home. But, I think it would be hard to separate the two.

Why?

According to the Bible, Husbands are given authority over wives based only on sex. Without verses to the contrary in other parts of the Bible, that authority discrepancy can rationally be extended to all aspects of life. After all, the sole criteria, sex, is present in every part of society.

I’d say so.

I understand that according to your interpretation this seems to apply only between husband and wife. But it begs the question, if these roles of authority are followed in the household, how do these roles transfer to circumstances such as at work?

Biblically they don’t, so far as I am aware. The scripture applies only to marriage. There are some that interpret Paul’s writings on women’s roles in the church to be somewhat limited, how limited varies with interpretation. Generally though no one that I am aware of other than the most ultra-conservative would say that this applies in the workplace.

You may say that these roles only apply to the home. But, I think it would be hard to separate the two.

Why?

Further, I can’t imagine a female CEO of a company going home to her out of work husband and just blindly following her husbands authority because God told her to. That seems silly to me.

Again why? Why should either the man’s or woman’s position at work, especially if they don’t work toether, affect their roles at home? The “I am a CEO at work so you must obey me or I can ignore you.” seems odd and it’s an argument I’ve not heard.

If anything she should be following gods authority not her husbands.

Why is it an either or? Both are called to submit to God’s authority and that’s why, if the husband isn’t submitting to God by ordering his wife to do something uncharitable ro unloving or that otherwise runs contrary to God’s law, I would say that she is under no obligation to submit. Of course not every Christian is going to agree with me on that point.

I find it hard to believe that god would need the ‘husband’ to transmit his ideas to women.

That’s not the purpose. God can communicate his ideas to women and does. You’re putting forth an argument against something neither I nor the Bible says.

I believe that God is perfectly capable of communicating directly with women and empowering them with their own authority.

They do have authority, just not over their husband.

I believe that that is one of the key components to a strong lasting marriage. Is when both the husband and wife are empowered equally and challenge each other mentally. When its done with love and respect it’s a beautiful thing.

What does “empowered equally” mean to you? The rest I can agree with.

Thanks for clarifying your position. If I have it straight, it seems that you could sum it up thus:

-The husband has ultimate authority
-The husband can decide that the wife may have more experience in a certain area and he may defer to her in those situations if he chooses
-The wife must submit to whatever the husband decides
-All of this is so because this is what you and your wife interpret the Bible as saying.

Is this correct?

I understand that according to your interpretation this seems to apply only between husband and wife. But it begs the question, if these roles of authority are followed in the household, how do these roles transfer to circumstances such as at work? For instance, Should I or other men have authority over female co-workers? Should I get to decide whether or not to listen to suggestions by female workers? And then should they have to submit with my decision regardless of what they think? An obvious answer is yes they should if the are of a lower rank in the company. But what if we are equal rank? What if she is my boss? I guess you can see how if the gender biases of authority are applied outside the household then some major difficulties can arise. You may say that these roles only apply to the home. But, I think it would be hard to separate the two. Further, I can’t imagine a female CEO of a company going home to her out of work husband and just blindly following her husbands authority because God told her to. That seems silly to me. If anything she should be following gods authority not her husbands. I find it hard to believe that god would need the ‘husband’ to transmit his ideas to women. I believe that God is perfectly capable of communicating directly with women and empowering them with their own authority. I believe that that is one of the key components to a strong lasting marriage. Is when both the husband and wife are empowered equally and challenge each other mentally. When its done with love and respect it’s a beautiful thing.